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Nessie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 2:46 pm Wiernik stated Katyn was the reason why the Nazis started to exhume and cremate corpses.

The government of Nazi Germany announced the discovery of mass graves in the Katyn Forest in April 1943.
Wiernik was in Treblinka during this announcement and escaped during the uprising of 2 August 1943. He would have no knowledge of Katyn except from hearsay when he joined the Warsaw resistance.

Nessie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 1:45 pm

joshk246 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 1:33 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 1:20 pm

Indeed, the camp was demolished, planted over, and left guarded. All by the Nazis. What were they doing there? Why did they use excavators? Why did Soviet bombs uncover so many human remains?

Why did Soviet bombs uncover so many human remains?

“so many”, not a single complete body.

It was the Nazi intention to leave no complete corpses, to prevent a body count, as was managed at Katyn. The grave robbing and use of explosives, made finding whole corpses even less likely.

Have you made any effort to read up on the history of the camp?

Have you made any effort to read up on the history of the camp?

No need to be snarky, as bombsaway said, you’re trying your best.
Yes, I know what is claimed.
All the preposterous outdoor cremation nonsense.

Nazgul wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:25 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 2:46 pm Wiernik stated Katyn was the reason why the Nazis started to exhume and cremate corpses.

The government of Nazi Germany announced the discovery of mass graves in the Katyn Forest in April 1943.
Wiernik was in Treblinka during this announcement and escaped during the uprising of 2 August 1943. He would have no knowledge of Katyn except from hearsay when he joined the Warsaw resistance.

In the next post, a revisionist source dates the start of cremations to April 1943. Wienik said he heard about Katyn whilst at the camp.

joshk246 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:54 pm ....
Yes, I know what is claimed.
All the preposterous outdoor cremation nonsense.

Just because so-called revisionists cannot believe pyres were possible, because of their calculations about the wood needed, does not evidence there were no mass graves.

Nessie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:06 pm

joshk246 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:54 pm ....
Yes, I know what is claimed.
All the preposterous outdoor cremation nonsense.

Nessie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:06 pm [quote=joshk246 post_id=11918 time=<a href="tel:1751817266">1751817266</a> user_id=167]
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Yes, I know what is claimed.
All the preposterous outdoor cremation nonsense.

Just because so-called revisionists cannot believe pyres were possible, because of their calculations about the wood needed, does not evidence there were no mass graves.

Roughly how much dry wood(kg) do you need to cremate a corpse, Nessie?

joshk246 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:14 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:06 pm

joshk246 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:54 pm ....
Yes, I know what is claimed.
All the preposterous outdoor cremation nonsense.

Nessie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:06 pm [quote=joshk246 post_id=11918 time=<a href="tel:1751817266">1751817266</a> user_id=167]
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Yes, I know what is claimed.
All the preposterous outdoor cremation nonsense.

Just because so-called revisionists cannot believe pyres were possible, because of their calculations about the wood needed, does not evidence there were no mass graves.

Roughly how much dry wood(kg) do you need to cremate a corpse, Nessie?

this question is a diversion from the archeological evidence, the point of the thread

the archeological evidence, based on the immediate post war survey, indicates mass burial and body destruction

most of the camp is now forested, so the GPR scans of the non-forested parts do not allow us to set a limit on maximum amount of grave space in the camp

bombsaway wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:23 pm

joshk246 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:14 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:06 pm



Just because so-called revisionists cannot believe pyres were possible, because of their calculations about the wood needed, does not evidence there were no mass graves.

Roughly how much dry wood(kg) do you need to cremate a corpse, Nessie?

this question is a diversion from the archeological evidence, the point of the thread

the archeological evidence, based on the immediate post war survey, indicates mass burial and body destruction

most of the camp is now forested, so the GPR scans of the non-forested parts do not allow us to set a limit on maximum amount of grave space in the camp

this question is a diversion from the archeological evidence, the point of the thread

The mass graves rely on the cremation fairytale being true.
No cremations = No mass graves.

I’ll concede it’s a slight diversion off topic, this thread has become very repetitive.

Nessie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 2:46 pm

Nazgul wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 2:45 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 1:45 pm It was the Nazi intention to leave no complete corpses, to prevent a body count, as was managed at Katyn. The grave robbing and use of explosives, made finding whole corpses even less likely.

The Staff in the area would know nothing about Katyn. Bombs do explode but are not really explosives as you mention.

Wiernik stated Katyn was the reason why the Nazis started to exhume and cremate corpses.

I'm going to drop a rather hot take here based on the use of pyres by the German Authorities during ww2.

These outdoor burnings were hygienic in nature and stemmed from a very real need to prevent groundwater contamination. It also controlled odor and any pestilence that could have resulted from the rotting of corpses.

There are extant photographs of these pyres and fuel is minimal. Look at the Dresden pyre photographs for example. This is because the goal was desiccation of the corpses, not destruction. When you look at the Kola study for example, this is borne out by the evidence. Not even destruction of hair was complete, what's less tissue.

I suspect that after the groundwater contamination at Auschwitz from the mass grave there (a result of a typhus outbreak and lack of cremation capacity), a general order was issued by the German Authorities to exhume the grave space at the transit camps and desiccate the bodies, then to bury them again.

If the goal had been destruction, to cover evidence, Kola would have drawn up ash and sand only in his sampling apparatus, not teeth, soft tissue, hair etc.

If Aktion 1005 was the complete obliteration of the remains of an extermination program, then, as evidenced by Kola, it was an absolute failure.

Long and short of it, however many bodies were buried at Treblinka II, are, more or less, still buried at Treblinka II. Except for bodies removed by the Soviet after bombing or by the Polish Authorities.

Mass cremations do not indicate that these people were murdered, Dresden makes that very clear. Until they give me the ashes corresponding to 800,000 bodies, I will never accept your Holocaust, Jewish myths should stay with Jews.

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 5:33 pm Mass cremations do not indicate that these people were murdered, Dresden makes that very clear. Until they give me the ashes corresponding to 800,000 bodies, I will never accept your Holocaust, Jewish myths should stay with Jews.

I mean, we mostly agree, but, the people of Dresden were murdered. The open air burning of their bodies on pyres after the incineration by allied bombing had nothing to do with their murder however, and was a completely hygienic measure.

Stubble wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 5:41 pm
I mean, we mostly agree, but, the people of Dresden were murdered. The open air burning of their bodies on pyres after the incineration by allied bombing had nothing to do with their murder however, and was a completely hygienic measure.

We mean in the sense that the Germans cremated the bodies in Dresden not to hide anything criminal on their part. The mere fact that these Reinhardt camps did not have conventional crematoriums is already a big hole in the event.

Nessie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:06 pm does not evidence there were no mass graves.

It is not our burden of proof to “evidence” the absence of mass graves. We await you pointing us to where we can find these.

AreYouSirius wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 8:41 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:06 pm does not evidence there were no mass graves.

It is not our burden of proof to “evidence” the absence of mass graves. We await you pointing us to where we can find these.

That was a good one. Just like another one he claims is: Absence of Prussian Blue does not prove gassing did not occur.

Another point, and a more pressing one, is what the purported grave space is vs what it isn't.

The area of disturbed ground, assuming it contains human remains (I'm sure at least some of the pits do) indeed constitute mass graves.

The dishonest framing is what gets me. It is either almost 1,000,000 dead bodies, or none according to Nessie here...

There is no middle ground.

For example, I do think people were executed at Treblinka II. Partisans, or at the very least people accused of being partisans. Tens of thousands of them.

I don't buy 1,000,000 jews gassed in makeshift gas chambers in an extermination campaign. In my opinion, the evidence doesn't support that.

A piece of tile a gas chamber does not make. The grave space, while certainly adequate to be called 'mass graves' falls well short of the orthodox claim.

Instead of just stretching a finger and pointing and saying, here, here are the bodies. Instead, apparently, the burden of proof is shifted and now it is my job to explain why you can't shove 1,000,000 pounds in a 5 lb. bag and why you can't just make up places where the mass graves were and put them willie nillie out by the fence....

/shrug

Any excuse will do I suppose.

Stubble wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 10:50 pm Another point, and a more pressing one, is what the purported grave space is vs what it isn't.

The area of disturbed ground, assuming it contains human remains (I'm sure at least some of the pits do) indeed constitute mass graves.

The dishonest framing is what gets me. It is either almost 1,000,000 dead bodies, or none according to Nessie here...

There is no middle ground.

For example, I do think people were executed at Treblinka II. Partisans, or at the very least people accused of being partisans. Tens of thousands of them.

I don't buy 1,000,000 jews gassed in makeshift gas chambers in an extermination campaign. In my opinion, the evidence doesn't support that.

A piece of tile a gas chamber does not make. The grave space, while certainly adequate to be called 'mass graves' falls well short of the orthodox claim.

Instead of just stretching a finger and pointing and saying, here, here are the bodies. Instead, apparently, the burden of proof is shifted and now it is my job to explain why you can't shove 1,000,000 pounds in a 5 lb. bag and why you can't just make up places where the mass graves were and put them willie nillie out by the fence....

/shrug

Any excuse will do I suppose.

Willienberg in the documentary about the Archaeology of Treblinka where Caroline works, in a space measuring 200 meters wide by 300 meters long, 875 thousand bodies fit. To know the depth for this, the AI ​​returned that a one meters would be needed.