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I'm going to stress again that the projectile (bullet) is the only open question I have about the shooting currently. I need to see the unspent ammunition.

The shot isn't particularly difficult, and smuggling the weapon wasn't particularly complex.

The lack of an exit wound for a 30-06 at 140 yards is, a problem. A very large problem. The bullet was still charged with around 2,200'/lb of energy. This explains the massive damage, but, not the bullet track.

The only projectile I can think of that would have done this is a 165gr Sierra Game King HPBT.

For reference;



Having taken many deer with an 06, can confirm, it is a straight pass even with a soft point or similar.

Stubble wrote: ↑Fri Oct 24, 2025 3:02 pm …the projectile (bullet) is the only open question I have about the shooting currently…

I have MANY “open” questions.

I suggest if anyone doesn’t want to be duped and has an interest in truth and accuracy, they also should be “open” on many things at this point in time.

BUTLER KILLINGS
I still have MANY “open” questions regarding the Butler shooting by Thomas Crooks:.

SECURITY.
- Why was anyone allowed by security to be on the roof with a gun for so long after crowds detected him and notified cops?
- Why was Trump allowed to go out onto the podium after Crooks had been detected on the roof with a gun?
- why was the security so lapse and slow?
- was the assassination attempt on Trump permitted / allowed to happen?
- Why was the security operation so badly handled? Was it ‘bad’ deliberately?
- Has any investigation been made to ascertain possible foreign inteference, e.g. sayanim operators within the ‘security’ apparatus?
- As there definitely ARE jews with strong zionist loyalties, WHY is that possibility never investigated as would if it was any other potential foreign involvement?
- Why has there been no public report of the security failings and how they could have happened?

CROOKS.
- Why did Crooks want to kill Trump and not care if he killed and injured crowd members in the process?
- What was the motivation for such an intelligent young man with his whole life ahead of him?
- Why hasn’t investigation into any of those questions been made public?
- Was he assisted or put up to it by anyone in any way at all?
- Why has there never been any detailed re-assessment made public of those persons outside of Butler who whistleblowers leaked Crooks had met and texted with Crooks prior to the shooting (we don’t need names if they were innocent, just an explanation).

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KIRK KILLING
There are similarly many “open” questions with the Kirk killing.

TYLER ROBINSON
- was that really Tyler Robinson filmed in the released surveillance video arriving limping?
- was that the same person captured running across the roof and dropping down off it after the shot?
- even if the filmed suspect IS proved to be Tyler Robinson, did he fire the fatal shot into Kirk’s neck captured on video?
- if it was Tyler Robinson who fired, did he fire a shot from his grandad’s Mauser 98 .03 06?
- if it was from that rifle, what type of bullet did he use?

THE WOUND
- why wasn’t there an exit wound?
- was a bullet found in Kirk’s body by a coroner/surgeon?

THE FBI
- why didn’t the FBI inform the public of all those wound details?
- why did they allow speculation about whether there was an exit wound, a bullet recovered, an autopsy being done?
- why did the FBI only release some wierd types of evidence but not more conclusive evidence incriminating Tyler?
- why did they release so little evidence of the whole shooting and then in a way that permitted and encouraged speculation and rumours?
- what surveillance video do they have?
- why haven’t they informed us?
- do they have surveillance video of the suspect making his way to the shooting position and taking the shot?
- if they do why haven’t they informed us?
- do they have GPS tracking of Tyler Robinson’s phone at the time immediately preceding and after the killing?
- if they do why haven’t they informed us?
- why did they release supposed ‘confession’ text messages but with time stamps removed?
- why did they attempt to put an unconstitutional, possibly illegal gag order on witnesses?

POSSIBLE DUAL-NATIONALITY, ZIONIST, JEWISH-AMERICAN INVOLVEMENT
- Has any investigation been made to ascertain possible foreign inteference, e.g. sayanim operators within the ‘security’, autopsy, police and FBI investigation, trial staff?
- As there definitely ARE jews with strong zionist loyalties, WHY is that possibility never investigated as it would be if it was any other potential foreign involvement?

ISRAEL
- if Israel is not involved why did their PM Netanyahu personally release two filmed appeals declaring his innocence of any involvement in the killing?
- what sort of Prime Minister would feel a need to do that?
- why did Netanyahu tweet condemnation of the killing so quickly?
- why did Israel release glowing obituaries SO SOON? were they pre-prepared?
- Why did these deceitfully misrepresent Kirk’s changed perception of Israeli actions and Netanyahu?
- why was there so much search enquiry from Israel, admitted by Google, of key persons and places in Kirk’s killing in the days BEFORE his killing!??
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NETANYAHU
TIME OF OFFICIAL DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT AND NETANYAHU’S 1st TWEET
Charlie Kirk was shot on 10th September 2025, at approximately 8:30 PM MDT (10:30 PM EDT).
Netanyahu's tweet was made at approximately 21:21 GMT (2:21 PM EDT) on September 10, 2025, shortly after the shooting was reported. Bibi’s tweet was condemning the “murder” and describing Kirk as a "lion-hearted friend of Israel".
So Netanyahu made the first official, public response notifying the world of Kirk’s DEATH only 3 hours and 51 minutes after the shooting.

Summary:
• Netanyahu's 1st tweet condemning Kirk’s death was 3 hours and 51 minutes after the shooting.
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That’s just some ‘open’ questions that immediately came to mind.


P.S. Netanyahu posted his tweet at almost 02:00 am in the morning in Israel-time.


GROK — replying to my questions:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's tweet condemning the "murder" was posted on X (formerly Twitter) at 3:50 p.m. MT (which corresponds to 1:50 a.m. IST the next day in Israel, accounting for the ~10-hour time difference).
The tweet read: "Charlie Kirk was murdered for speaking truth and defending freedom. A lion-hearted friend of Israel, he fought the lies and stood tall for Judeo-Christian civilization. I spoke to him only two weeks ago and invited him to Israel. Sadly, that visit will not take place. We lost an irreplaceable voice for freedom. All people of goodwill must condemn this horrific murder and demand justice for Charlie." This was Netanyahu's initial public condemnation, explicitly using the term "murdered" twice and calling for universal condemnation.
SUMMARY: Time after coroner’s declaration = approximately 20 minutes.

Official US Institution Report
The first official US institutional declaration of Charlie Kirk's death came from President Donald Trump on September 10, 2025, at 2:40 p.m. MT, via a post on Truth Social stating, "The Great, and even Legendary, Charlie Kirk, is dead".
As the sitting US President, this served as the authoritative federal confirmation, prompting flags at half-mast and a White House video address later that evening prematurely blaming "radical left" rhetoric.
The hospital (Timpanogos Regional) pronounced him dead earlier (around 1:00–2:00 p.m. MT after transport at 12:23 p.m. MT), but did not issue a public statement.
The Utah Department of Public Safety and local police gave no formal death announcement.
The FBI's initial custody reports (later retracted) were post-2:40 p.m. MT.
SUMMARY: Time after coroner pronouncement = approximately 1 hour 10 minutes.

Official Mainstream News Reports
The first official mainstream news reports confirming Charlie Kirk's death from the shooting occurred on September 10, 2025, around 2:50 p.m. MT (Mountain Time), approximately 10 minutes after President Donald Trump's announcement on Truth Social. Major outlets like ABC News, NBC News, The New York Times, and AP News entered "breaking news" mode, reporting Kirk had been pronounced dead at Timpanogos Regional Hospital in Orem, Utah, following the 12:20 p.m. MT shooting at Utah Valley University. For example, ABC News published a visual timeline at 2:40 p.m. MT referencing Trump's post, with full confirmation and details (including the neck wound from a sniper shot) in updates by 2:50 p.m. MT. Prior to this, reports focused on the shooting and Kirk's critical condition, but the death was not verified in mainstream sources until Trump's announcement triggered widespread coverage.
SUMMARY: Time after coroner pronouncement = approximately 1 hour 20 minutes.

The Butler shooting merits it's own thread, just like the JFK assassination.

Hammer's tweet about public execution stands out. I genuinely think any outside involvement in the assassination would have been nudging the accused and facilitation of a lapse in security with regard to securing the rooftops.

I see how the fellow got on the roof. The shot isn't anything to write home about. The lack of an exit wound from a 30-06 is problematic.

I'm not going to say your questions are invalid, or even your conjecture. I'm simply saying that those aren't my questions. Currently I have 1 outstanding question with this one.

From the audio forensics it's 1 shot from a high powered rifle at about 140 yards. That settles the question of the shot for me when I see the accused with the rifle leaving the scene.

/shrug

The expansion cavity is huge and the damage is extensive. A 30-06 absolutely could have caused that. I need to see the projectile.

A 'pen gun' isn't going to do that..

Wahrheitssucher wrote: ↑Wed Oct 22, 2025 10:25 am
Scott is engaged in quite obvious, irrelevant, wall-of-text obfuscation and derailing.

I invite CODOH forum readers to ponder upon that for a moment.

WTF?

Okay, so the Candace Owens grifter's club thinks that "Lone Gunmen" can't happen without a big CIA, FBI, MI5, Mossad conspiracy, but that is just not true.

I admit that the Secret Service dropped the ball with the Trump security at Butler, Pennsylvania but Trump really was shot in the ear and almost killed in 2024. Good Luck happens from time to time.

I'm not an admirer of de-Segregationist Chief Justice Earl Warren, but that does not mean that the Warren Commission really "Rushed to Justice," as the Libertarian Jew lawyer/journalist Mark Lane claimed. In fact, the WC got the essentials quite correct.

Oswald acted alone. (These kinds of guys crawl out of the woodwork like cockroaches hoping to impress Jodie Foster.)

Historians have to learn how to weigh evidence and how to understand circumstantial evidence and how to put all of it into context.

And they need to treat facts the same way that competent scientists do with a METHOD or a process of REVISION rather than like putting knowledge onto a sacred shelf like Holy Scripture.

That is what CODOH has been about, as its founder, Bradley Smith intended, and I have been a student of Revisionism for a very long time.

I first subscribed to the Journal of Historical Review in 1979, and read the Dr. Arthur Butz book early in 1980. The classic Holocaust Revisionism issue in the Spotlight tabloid published just before Christmas in 1979 was highly influential to me and it demonstrated clearly that the subject needed to be studied more closely.

In fact, this probably determined my decision to actually get a degree in History after studying and working in electronic engineering, radio communications, and broadcasting.

THEREFORE,

I gave the classic example of the JFK assassination in which the Warren Commission (correctly) said that the shooter acted alone ─ and I have shown on this thread how almost no one who has consumed mainstream media content for over fifty years knows more than jack squat about the actual event.

Lee Harvey Oswald was a dyslexic Marxist-Leninist misfit who wanted to shake things up violently at the age of 24, and who had trouble finding like-minded friends. Even the Soviets wanted nothing to do with him.

When ex-Marine coffee courier Oswald defected, the Soviets gave him a kushy job at a Minsk radio factory at a far higher salary than normal, but he was not a very good worker.

Dissatisfied, Oswald came back to the USA with a Russian wife ─ but nobody in either New Orleans where he was from or Texas was going to give a guy an intellectual or important job with a salary, inflated or otherwise, who struggled to fill out a job application or to write a simple business letter. Oswald had a learning diability but he wasn't dumb; he also read esoteric books. But, so what?

Oswald could not support his wife and two kids so he decided to leave her and emigrate to Cuba where the "real" Revolution was going on. Threatening to send Marina Oswald back to Russia usually kept the wifey in check; she did not notify the police when Oswald unsuccessfully attempted to kill General Ted Walker with his 6.5x52mm Carcano sniper rifle.

If you hang out at public places long enough, like the airport, or Dealey Plaza ─ where Oswald happened to be working at a warehouse when Kennedy and Johnson decided to have a parade in Dallas that went by there ─ you might run into celebrites or significant events at random. That is not a conspiracy. Occam's Razor is your friend.

Wahrheitssucher wrote: ↑Wed Oct 22, 2025 10:25 am
This topic-thread is about the Kirk killing.

LOGICAL FACT:
If the empirical evidence of the numerous-angle video of Charlie Kirk’s neck wound could not have been caused by any calibre bullet shot from a Mauser 98 .03 06 rifle, then Tyler Robinson is NOT the shooter.

No, we have seen very little besides the charging documents so far.

The vaunted "FBI narrative" is simply that they released some video of the shooter's ingress and egress from a well-positioned camera at UVU, not the video of the shooting itself, more of which will likely come out in trial.

We have no BASIC ballistics report other than the claim that the shooter used a Model 98 Mauser action in .30-06 caliber with an expensive scope that once belonged to Tyler Robinson's Grandfather, and a picture of the rifle provided not by authorities but by the New York Times.

And some of this is information is from the Robinson texts and chats with his twinkerbell boyfriend, Lance Twiggs, to whom Tyler admits to the shooting.

The Candace Owen types were claiming that a 22 year old electrician student at Dixie State Univeristy in St. George, Utah who had also attended a semester at Utah State Univeristy in Logan was as dumb as a 3rd grader and therefore would not have used big words in chats like "vehicle" over simply "car," but that argument was soon debunked with actual vehicle collision police bodycam evidence.

There seems to be a clear proclivity in the minds of some for what I call Epistemological Nihilism, and that does not serve the cause of justice nor historians well. And this is coming from a natural Skeptic. For example, I had doubts about the Holocaust long before I started reading Revisionist research on the subject over 45 years ago.

Wahrheitssucher wrote: ↑Wed Oct 22, 2025 10:25 am
Believers of the official ‘violent, leftist, tranny-supporting, anarchist murderer’ may feel free to keep on avoiding this rather basic and obvious fact. But that is the bottom line here.

The bottom line is that a lot of people don't really understand evidence and we have a "God of the Gaps" problem here.

Let me leave you with a video which explains medical examiner reports and death certificates from an actual mortician who easily debunks Candace Owens and her edgy podcaster bullshït.

A lot of the "facts" floating around the Kirk Assassination are in reality just hearsay if not made up out of wholecloth. Hopefully we will know more when it comes to trial but that might be awhile.

This video is over ten minutes long but I think it is well worth watching and understanding:





And this video also from "Lauren the Mortician" is over eitht minutes long but it has some valuable information about autopsies:





The last point that I want to make is that with the Saint George Floyd overdose and heart attack, after him resisting arrest. The corporate news media was quick to call Floyd's 2020 death a "Murder," and they simply blinked at the autopsy evidence given in the trial of Police Officer Derek Chauvin in that St. Floyd was never choked nor had any substantial pressure applied to his neck or shoulder.

This did not stop the police officers who tried to arrest Floyd for attempting to pass a counterfeit bill being railroaded, and the lead officer actually convicted of murder with BLM marching outside and threatening the jurors. Chauvin was later shanked in prison, although he survived.

So even when people are getting their information from Shïtbird mainstream media rather than Tik-Tok, extreme skepticism is warranted.

I visited the O.J. Simpson murder scene in Brentwood, California myself a few months after the 1995 televised trial. And like the O.J. Simpson murder trial, where the half-Negro downtown Los Angeles jury acquitted the C-list celebrity of butchering his White ex-wife and her young Jewish waiter friend because an investigating detective once used the word Nïgger, I watched the entirety of the marsupial Chauvin trial televised from the People's Republic of Minnesota. I paid particular attention to the testimony of the pathologists who examined Saint George and conducted the postmortem.

Saint George was not murdered. Yeah, the news media blatantly lied.

This does not mean that Oswald was a patsy or that MAGA or the Joos killed Charlie Kirk.