Holocoaster of Auschwitz
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2025 6:18 pm
This is right up there with the Aktion Reinhardt underground metro for gassing victims...
This is right up there with the Aktion Reinhardt underground metro for gassing victims...
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This is right up there with the Aktion Reinhardt underground metro for gassing victims...
Re: Holocoaster of Auschwitz
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 1:46 pm
One of the biggest blunders in the "Vrba-Wetzler" report is that it claims that there was some sort of track/rail car to take bodies from the gas chamber to the ovens. Vrba (or whoever actually wrote that thing) didn't seem to know that the "gas chamber" and the ovens were on different floors.
This Belsen trial testimony talks about a "lorry" that dumped people directly into the gas chamber.
There's some parody song potential
This Belsen trial testimony talks about a "lorry" that dumped people directly into the gas chamber.
Some of the Soviet reports talk about a conveyor belt.On 25th December, 1943, I was sick with typhus and was picked out at a selection made by Doctors Mengele and Tauber along with about 350 other women. I was made to undress and taken by lorry to a gas chamber. There were seven gas chambers at Auschwitz. This particular one was underground and the lorry was able to run down the slope and straight into the chamber. Here we were tipped unceremoniously on the floor. The room was about 12 yards square and small lights on the wall dimly illuminated it. When the room was full a hissing sound was heard coming from the centre point on the floor and gas came into the room. After what seemed about ten minutes some of the victims began to fite [bite?] their hands and foam at the mouth and blood issued from their ears, eyes and mouth and their faces went blue. I suffered from all these symptoms, together with a tight feeling at the throat. I was half conscious when my number was called out by Dr. Mengele and I was led from the chamber. I attribute my escape to the fact that the daughter of a friend of mine who was an Aryan and a Doctor at Auschwitz had seen me being transported to the chamber and had told her mother who immediately appealed to Dr. Mengele. Apparently he realised that as a political prisoner I was of more value alive than dead and I was released.
-Regina Bialok, May 1945, testimony at the Belsen Trial, http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Tri ... 015_Bialek
There's some parody song potential
Re: Holocoaster of Auschwitz
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 2:05 pm
There was enough testimony about the holocoaster that IIRC Pressac tried to make sense of it positing that there were rails going down to the semibasments of lk1 in Kremas II and III.
I'll see if I can find it.
I think the mention is in technique, I may have run across it in an interview however.
Exterminationists are extremely dismissive of this one because they say it is the one testimony in a book.
As you rightly point out, it is also in the Auschwitz Protocols, albeit with a slightly different twist. There are other mentions.
If I had the skill, I'd parody the shit out of love rollercoaster and make it into holocoaster.
I'll see if I can find it.
I think the mention is in technique, I may have run across it in an interview however.
Exterminationists are extremely dismissive of this one because they say it is the one testimony in a book.
As you rightly point out, it is also in the Auschwitz Protocols, albeit with a slightly different twist. There are other mentions.
If I had the skill, I'd parody the shit out of love rollercoaster and make it into holocoaster.
Re: Holocoaster of Auschwitz
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 2:08 pm
Just to shine further light on the complete farce this statement is, I have highlighted the nonsense and absurdities so no one is left in any doubt that what she is saying is total bollocks. Almost as hilarious is what she didn't say but I'll let your imagination think that through for fun...
On 25th December, 1943, I was sick with typhus and was picked out at a selection made by Doctors Mengele and Tauber along with about 350 other women. I was made to undress and taken by lorry to a gas chamber. There were seven gas chambers at Auschwitz. This particular one was underground and the lorry was able to run down the slope and straight into the chamber. Here we were tipped unceremoniously on the floor. The room was about 12 yards square and small lights on the wall dimly illuminated it. When the room was full a hissing sound was heard coming from the centre point on the floor and gas came into the room. After what seemed about ten minutes some of the victims began to fite [bite?] their hands and foam at the mouth and blood issued from their ears, eyes and mouth and their faces went blue. I suffered from all these symptoms, together with a tight feeling at the throat. I was half conscious when my number was called out by Dr. Mengele and I was led from the chamber. I attribute my escape to the fact that the daughter of a friend of mine who was an Aryan and a Doctor at Auschwitz had seen me being transported to the chamber and had told her mother who immediately appealed to Dr. Mengele. Apparently he realised that as a political prisoner I was of more value alive than dead and I was released.
Re: Holocoaster of Auschwitz
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 2:19 pm
This book was published by Praeger (an academic publisher) in 1996. But the original compilation by Eugene Aroneanu is from 1946. That makes more sense as this has the distinct flavor of that early material.
Here is a brief German Wikipedia entry on Aroneanu.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eug%C3%A8ne_Aroneanu
The original text of the book seems to be this.
Konzentrationslager. Tatsachenbericht über die an der Menschheit begangenen Verbrechen; Dokument F 321 für den Internationalen Militärgerichtshof in Nürnberg; Arbeitsgemeinschaft „Das Licht“
Not sure what this working group Das Licht was. But it sounds like he was involved with collecting material at Nuremberg.
Here is a brief German Wikipedia entry on Aroneanu.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eug%C3%A8ne_Aroneanu
The original text of the book seems to be this.
Konzentrationslager. Tatsachenbericht über die an der Menschheit begangenen Verbrechen; Dokument F 321 für den Internationalen Militärgerichtshof in Nürnberg; Arbeitsgemeinschaft „Das Licht“
Not sure what this working group Das Licht was. But it sounds like he was involved with collecting material at Nuremberg.
Re: Holocoaster of Auschwitz
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 2:47 pm
He took a convict out of a functioning gas chamber and knew the number of the convict and she knew how to hear the number in the face of all that panic?borjastick wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 2:08 pm Just to shine further light on the complete farce this statement is, I have highlighted the nonsense and absurdities so no one is left in any doubt that what she is saying is total bollocks. Almost as hilarious is what she didn't say but I'll let your imagination think that through for fun...
On 25th December, 1943, I was sick with typhus and was picked out at a selection made by Doctors Mengele and Tauber along with about 350 other women. I was made to undress and taken by lorry to a gas chamber. There were seven gas chambers at Auschwitz. This particular one was underground and the lorry was able to run down the slope and straight into the chamber. Here we were tipped unceremoniously on the floor. The room was about 12 yards square and small lights on the wall dimly illuminated it. When the room was full a hissing sound was heard coming from the centre point on the floor and gas came into the room. After what seemed about ten minutes some of the victims began to fite [bite?] their hands and foam at the mouth and blood issued from their ears, eyes and mouth and their faces went blue. I suffered from all these symptoms, together with a tight feeling at the throat. I was half conscious when my number was called out by Dr. Mengele and I was led from the chamber. I attribute my escape to the fact that the daughter of a friend of mine who was an Aryan and a Doctor at Auschwitz had seen me being transported to the chamber and had told her mother who immediately appealed to Dr. Mengele. Apparently he realised that as a political prisoner I was of more value alive than dead and I was released.
Will Nessie argue that it was a rumor? That the characters didn't exist? That this kind of thing is even expected? Bizarre.
Re: Holocoaster of Auschwitz
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 2:56 pm
It is clearly hearsay, atrocity rumour. None of the eyewitnesses who worked inside the Kremas speak about a conveyor belt or carriages.
Re: Holocoaster of Auschwitz
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 3:02 pm
Re: Holocoaster of Auschwitz
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 3:08 pm
Evidence is gathered and then sifted to weed out the hearsay and rumour.
They said they used trolleys.Sonderkommando unironically claimed very close to this.
Re: Holocoaster of Auschwitz
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 3:13 pm
Trolleys that don't exist on rails that were never there...
Re: Holocoaster of Auschwitz
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 3:22 pm
Re: Holocoaster of Auschwitz
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 3:26 pm
Nessie, how did they get 'a trolley' out of the semibasments and up to the crematorium?
You say this has no evidentiary value, and yet, here the question sits, unresolved.
Furthermore, can you cite any historians that cite this part of any testimony?
You can't, because it's bullshit.
You say this has no evidentiary value, and yet, here the question sits, unresolved.
Furthermore, can you cite any historians that cite this part of any testimony?
You can't, because it's bullshit.