Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

[Nazgul]

When Kola conducted borehole sampling at Belzec, he found what he called a waxy-fat mass, which will be the congealed remains of corpses that were not exhumed and cremated. Pawlicka-Nowak reported a corrosive substance had been added to the Chelmno mass graves.

How can anyone distinguish the remains of dead from execution or death as was reported on the trains. The train dead were buried.

[Stubble]

... the whole thread is redundant anyway.

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Correct. So-called revisionists have made their minds up and decided that because they cannot work out how so many people were buried at TII and cannot believe the claims about it being c850,000, therefore, it did not happen and that many people are not buried there. Rely on that logically flawed argument and ignore, dispute and lie about the evidence.

The bodies won't even fit as a liquid in the grave space Colls claims to have 'found'.

The only one lying about grave space here, is you.

Oddly, you will continue to lie about the grave space after linking the study.

It's the kind of thing I call a 'head scratcher'.

Now, in this thread, you invert this fact and say it is me lying about grave space?

Come on Nessie, be truthful.

[HansHill]

At peak burial, maybe ~250,000–300,000 bodies lay in graves at once. As older graves were exhumed and cremated, space was reused for more victims. Over the year, the same grave volume was used multiple times. In the end, all remains were burned or scattered to hide the crime.

You are directly contradicting the Orthodox Holocaust narrative as per Arad.

Of the 1.7 million Jews murdered in the death camps of Belzec, Sobi-
bor, and Treblinka, 1,650,000 of them had been exterminated by the
second half of February 1943....

...Himmler learned from his visit to Treblinka that, in spite of his orders,
the corpses of the Jews who had been exterminated in this camp had not
been cremated, but buried.

Arad - Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka - Part 1, Ch 22

This means, at the time of Himmler's visit, you must place 700,000 - 900,000 fully intact bodies simultaneously, in the little patch you indicated. Ask your LLM why it is deviating from this line of reasoning please?

[Nessie]

... the whole thread is redundant anyway.

...

Correct. So-called revisionists have made their minds up and decided that because they cannot work out how so many people were buried at TII and cannot believe the claims about it being c850,000, therefore, it did not happen and that many people are not buried there. Rely on that logically flawed argument and ignore, dispute and lie about the evidence.

The bodies won't even fit as a liquid in the grave space Colls claims to have 'found'.

Most of the grave area could not be surveyed, due to the memorial and trees. She still found large areas of disturbed ground.

The only one lying about grave space here, is you.

Oddly, you will continue to lie about the grave space after linking the study.

It's the kind of thing I call a 'head scratcher'.

Now, in this thread, you invert this fact and say it is me lying about grave space?

Come on Nessie, be truthful.

What am I supposedly lying about? The Poles recorded an area of 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, of disturbed ground containing cremated human remains. Prove that is a lie. C S-C recorded 6 pits around the main memorial, where the mass graves were located by the witnesses. Prove that is a lie.

[ConfusedJew]

At peak burial, maybe ~250,000–300,000 bodies lay in graves at once. As older graves were exhumed and cremated, space was reused for more victims. Over the year, the same grave volume was used multiple times. In the end, all remains were burned or scattered to hide the crime.

You are directly contradicting the Orthodox Holocaust narrative as per Arad.

Of the 1.7 million Jews murdered in the death camps of Belzec, Sobi-
bor, and Treblinka, 1,650,000 of them had been exterminated by the
second half of February 1943....

...Himmler learned from his visit to Treblinka that, in spite of his orders,
the corpses of the Jews who had been exterminated in this camp had not
been cremated, but buried.

Arad - Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka - Part 1, Ch 22

This means, at the time of Himmler's visit, you must place 700,000 - 900,000 fully intact bodies simultaneously, in the little patch you indicated. Ask your LLM why it is deviating from this line of reasoning please?

I'll look into this. I'm not familiar with Arad but it is possible that he made some factual errors that aren't very material.

[Nazgul]

What am I supposedly lying about? The Poles recorded an area of 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, of disturbed ground containing cremated human remains. Prove that is a lie. C S-C recorded 6 pits around the main memorial, where the mass graves were located by the witnesses. Prove that is a lie.

The following evidence has been produced many times and yet this poster continues with the beliefs he first held. The current site of the Judenlager now known as TII was a soviet bombing and shelling range. The amount of disturbed ground would expell any other evidence, if it existed.
Poster not lying, strategic memory loss perhaps.

[Archie]

At peak burial, maybe ~250,000–300,000 bodies lay in graves at once. As older graves were exhumed and cremated, space was reused for more victims. Over the year, the same grave volume was used multiple times. In the end, all remains were burned or scattered to hide the crime.

You are directly contradicting the Orthodox Holocaust narrative as per Arad.

Of the 1.7 million Jews murdered in the death camps of Belzec, Sobi-
bor, and Treblinka, 1,650,000 of them had been exterminated by the
second half of February 1943....

...Himmler learned from his visit to Treblinka that, in spite of his orders,
the corpses of the Jews who had been exterminated in this camp had not
been cremated, but buried.

Arad - Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka - Part 1, Ch 22

This means, at the time of Himmler's visit, you must place 700,000 - 900,000 fully intact bodies simultaneously, in the little patch you indicated. Ask your LLM why it is deviating from this line of reasoning please?

I'll look into this. I'm not familiar with Arad but it is possible that he made some factual errors that aren't very material.

Lol, I like how you trust ChatGPT over Arad and other professionally published sources by the leading Holocaust scholars. Arad's book is THE standard source on the AR camps. That version is the story. You don't get to make up some totally contradictory version out of the blue in 2025 because the arithmetic of the original story doesn't work.

Your theory about how the graves had only 250K at a time which they exhumed and refilled as they went is not and has never been the story. The deportations started in the summer of 1942 meanwhile cremations are said to have happened much later, at Himmler's direction in 1943. Your theory doesn't fit the timeline at all and is based on zero sources.

[Wahrheitssucher]

CJ wrote: I'm not going to watch a 4 hour video on the Middle East [ ] but I will address your questions on the burial pits.

It is not about the middle east, it is about the Aktion Reinhardt camps. Title is 1/3rd of the holocaust.

You won't read, and you won't just listen to something. You should be able to adjust playback speed. It can be run and intelligible at 4x speed.

CJ wrote: The “1,000,000 lbs into a 5lb sack” analogy ignores that soft tissue liquefies and compacts when it decomposes. And cremation removed 90% of the soft mass; bone ash is very light by volume.

No, you are ignoring the primary burial, furthermore, this is AI generated garbage just thrown by you onto the board.

CJ wrote: It is gruesome but physically feasible… [snip]

Again, AI generated garbage, ignoring primary burial then obfuscating the issue to create a blithe dismissal.

My conclusion, you don't understand the issue and you aren't interested in understanding the issue.

You won't read a book, you won't listen to an audiobook, you won't watch a video, you won't read the forum and you just post AI slop. You are incredibly lazy, intellectually dishonest and a complete waste of time.

Bingo!

[Wetzelrad]

[...]1 pit ≈ 1,000,000 kg → ~20,000–25,000 bodies

10 large pits × ~20,000–25,000 = 200,000–250,000 bodies at a time. As pits filled, they dug new ones. Pits were partly reused: older ones were reopened for cremation later.

At peak burial, maybe ~250,000–300,000 bodies lay in graves at once. As older graves were exhumed and cremated, space was reused for more victims. Over the year, the same grave volume was used multiple times. In the end, all remains were burned or scattered to hide the crime.

Thank you. This is exactly the mathematical argument that revisionists have been making for years. Your peak burial figure is well below the 800k that it is said to be by Holocaust museums, historians, and other authorities. Thank you for disproving the Holocaust.

[ConfusedJew]

Lol, I like how you trust ChatGPT over Arad and other professionally published sources by the leading Holocaust scholars. Arad's book is THE standard source on the AR camps. That version is the story. You don't get to make up some totally contradictory version out of the blue in 2025 because the arithmetic of the original story doesn't work.

Your theory about how the graves had only 250K at a time which they exhumed and refilled as they went is not and has never been the story. The deportations started in the summer of 1942 meanwhile cremations are said to have happened much later, at Himmler's direction in 1943. Your theory doesn't fit the timeline at all and is based on zero sources.

I'm glad you like that.

ChatGPT is not perfect, but it is better at searching through many sources and really dense information very quickly. I reject the concept of any single standard source.

Let me look into the evidence more closely because I'm researching as I go but if that is accurate, that obviously doesn't disprove the Holocaust.

Maybe Arad is inaccurate about some of the facts or logistics but still, that would be cherrypicking to say that the whole historical understanding is wrong.

[ConfusedJew]

Thank you. This is exactly the mathematical argument that revisionists have been making for years. Your peak burial figure is well below the 800k that it is said to be by Holocaust museums, historians, and other authorities. Thank you for disproving the Holocaust.

I don't see how this proves or disproves anything material.

The peak number of bodies buried at one time at Treblinka was never equal to the total number murdered there.
Why? Treblinka operated continuously for about 13 months from mid 1942 to mid 1943. It did not keep all victims buried simultaneously.

The site had a continuous kill–bury–dig–burn–rebury–scatter cycle. Once pits were full, older graves were reopened, bodies burned, ashes buried back or scattered — freeing up pit space for new victims. So the same physical grave volume was reused repeatedly.

Example: One pit might hold 20,000 at a time — but over a year, that pit might “process” 100,000+ victims through multiple burial and cremation cycles.

Maybe ChatGPT is wrong about this but it says Arad explains burial capacity vs. total murder figure. He documents that during the first months, Treblinka buried the corpses in multiple large pits. He explicitly notes that this caused massive sanitary problems and unbearable stench, which spread disease and drew local complaints. This is why Himmler ordered Aktion 1005 — the pits were reopened, bodies exhumed, burned on open-air pyres, and the ash reburied or scattered. Arad describes that this operation freed up pit space while simultaneously destroying evidence.

So the same ground area was used again and again. Bodies were buried, later dug up, burned, and finally ash was reburied or dispersed. New bodies buried in same or new pits before final cremation.

Arad compiles it from SS officer testimony, Jewish prisoner accounts, and postwar Polish investigations.

Can you show me where Arad explained this differently?

ChatGPT highlights a few chapters in his book where he talks about this logistical process.

“The Extermination Process” — he details the burial method, pit sizes, and burial overflow.
“The Burning of the Corpses” — he explains Himmler’s orders to exhume and burn to prevent detection, and how the Sonderkommando ran the cremation pits daily.
Appendix and footnotes — show Nazi statements confirming how many pits were used at a time and how soil was reused.
He directly states that by the end of 1942, mass burning was underway and older burial pits were systematically cleared.

[curioussoul]

Let me look into the evidence more closely because I'm researching as I go but if that is accurate, that obviously doesn't disprove the Holocaust.

What it does disprove is the overwhelming absurdity of the official version of events for at least some 50+ years, before revisionists basically forced orthodox historians to start adjusting their stories such as to make them somewhat compatible with reality.

If you're just a "confused Jew" looking for answers, why did you not consult any revisionist arguments or literature on the subject of Treblinka archaeology before you made this thread, because everything you've brought up has been discussed before?

The only AR camp for which the supposed grave space is anywhere near compatible with the official death toll is Sobibor, but for Belzec and Treblinka, the discovered grave volumes are nowhere near compatible with the claimed death tolls. And just consider for a second the unbelievable stupidity and shortsightedness ascribed to the SS for the outdoor incineration hypothesis to be true. We are to believe that these camps were slated to exterminate almost twice the number of victims of Auschwitz, yet no crematoria were ever built or even planned for any of these camps. Instead, the SS supposedly buried all of the corpses of the hundreds of thousands of victims directly inside the camp. Only after realizing months later that this was a bad idea, they allegedly started uncovering the bodies and cremating them in primitive outdoor incineration pits, the fuel for which would have required basically the entire output of all of the forestry divisions of the General Government combined. Aerial photographs of Treblinka show that virtually none of the surrounding forest was touched during the period Treblinka was active. To add to that, Belzec is supposed to have begun excavating and cremating corpses in the dead of winter (in December), in frozen soil.

The graves that have been discovered in the AR camps account for only a small percentage of the claimed enormous death toll from gassings, but they are perfectly congruent with deaths from the train rides, deaths from escape attempts, deaths from disease, deaths from executions and deaths from possible euthanasia of weak prisoners who could not survive the journey to the OET.

[Wetzelrad]

The site had a continuous kill–bury–dig–burn–rebury–scatter cycle. [...]

Thanks but you are just digging the pit deeper. There is no evidence for a "continuous kill-bury-dig-burn-rebury-scatter cycle." This is something you've made up. The accepted narrative is that nearly all of them were buried first. Their excavation and cremation is said to have begun in February or March 1943.

Can you show me where Arad explained this differently?

HansHill already gave you proof above, but here's another quote:

The last camp where cremation of the corpses was instituted was Treblinka. During Himmler’s visit to the camp at the end of February/beginning of March 1943, he was surprised to find that in Treblinka the corpses of over 700,000 Jews who had been killed there had not yet been cremated.
Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka: The Operation Reinhard Death Camps (1987) by Yitzak Arad, p.173

Admittedly "over 700,000" is slightly less than the 800,000 I gave above, but the problem is the same. I challenge you to find any authority that contradicts Arad on this.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Let me look into the evidence more closely because I'm researching as I go [ ] but if that is accurate, that obviously doesn't disprove the Holocaust.

What it does disprove is the overwhelming absurdity of the official version of events for at least some 50+ years, before revisionists basically forced orthodox historians to start adjusting their stories such as to make them somewhat compatible with reality.

See that, ConfusedJew? He didn’t claim “the holocaust never happened” nor — to use your weird syntax — “never existed”.

So, either:
1. Try and learn from this and stop posting strawmen arguments;
2. Stop your pretence of being here to ‘learn’ what the revisionist arguments are and whether they are credible.

If you're just a "confused Jew" looking for answers, why did you not consult any revisionist arguments or literature on the subject of Treblinka archaeology before you made this thread, because everything you've brought up has been discussed before?

I suggest it is because CJ is not looking for answers.

[Archie]

If you're just a "confused Jew" looking for answers, why did you not consult any revisionist arguments or literature on the subject of Treblinka archaeology before you made this thread, because everything you've brought up has been discussed before?

Just in case you missed it, ConfusedJew recently told us that reading books is a waste of time. He doesn't need to read because he can just ask ChatGPT for summaries.

Read a book, time-waster.

Reading books is almost always a waste of time in the age of AI honestly.

Only if you want your opinions spoonfed to you and you are incapable of independent thought.

I read AI summaries of books in a fraction of the time that I could read the whole book.